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Rawbin  
Mar-16-2009, 15:32 GMT
USA - United Staates America

How do I get license or permission to use a S&G song on Youtube? I´m not using it for profit or advertising, and I don´t have a lot of money. I just would like to use the song. Who do I contact???

I´ve been very ill, several surgeries. I´m healing myself thru raw foods. One way I got nutrients when sick was green smoothies. People asked me how I made them. I´m not comfortable talking in front of a camera so I filmed harvesting greens from my garden, putting it in a blender with some other fruits & veggies to make a tasty green shake. I wanted to put it to music and discovered that Mrs. Robinson fit because of the lyrics, the rhythm, the tune, the name (Rawbin). It was all so perfect and came together nicely... now I´m just trying to find a way to get license to use the song for this one short smoothie video.

Paul
Mar-17-2009, 18:16 GMT
Unknown

Rawbin, you don´t need any. Just upload. I think they don´t check audio. for instance, my youtube account called ´maslick´. I ve uploaded a video from Paul´s DVD Tower Theatre 1980. The sweetest song of all!!
And they don´t touch it, fingers crossed ;) Even if they do, nothing serious will happen!
In your case, it´s not scary at all. So don´t panic, just do what you wanted :)
Take care!!!
Maslick

Bodo  
Mar-17-2009, 18:53 GMT
Austria

I definately would not sign that statement. And you can stop crossing your fingers Maslick, as the opposite has already been proofen.

First: Uploading copyrigthed material on youtube is illegal, and youtube also tells you that in several warning messages!

Second: I said it a few days ago - youtube CAN DETECT copyrighted sound now, and will delete it automatically.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO-7-DPjfTw

Indeed - they might not sue their users - but the copyright holder has all rights to do that. If Warner finds the video clip and some of their lawyers has a bad day, he can do everything. They win, because you have done everything wrong.

Remeber this "Baby song"?? I guess you do not. A person was sued because he played a song to his baby, which was singin "la la la" to it. The quality of the sound was really poor, like in a subway station. Many people watched this video with the singin baby on youtube, and the user finally got sued by the copyright holder.

So everything can happen. 99,999% of the time nothing will happen. But then suddenly there is the next case with another person paying 50.000 $.

But I guess the original poster already knews about these things, and he wants to be sure to do everything correct. And there I can not help. You have to contact Warner music, and I guess they will either not answer, or they ask you a fortune. Write a letter to Pauls office in New York. But also: I guess they will not answer, or tell you to ask Warner Music.

Paul
Mar-17-2009, 19:45 GMT
Unknown

Oh, Bodo! Can´t believe that you´re afraid of such kind of things! Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon and listening to those ********* you have!
What a man who doesn´t risk? If you like smth and you wanna share it with others? really really want everybody to understand your feelings whatever it´s worth. Of course that is not right, but when it comes to just adding a music to your clip made by yourself - who is not popular at all - maybe 100 people would watch it, more or less..
The first thing they will do - they´ll just delete it. The chances of that are little. I´d say 1 per cent. Cause at least half a million people do the same :)
Take into consideration my thoughts about that, Robin. And Bodo´s as well ;)

Bodo
Mar-17-2009, 20:02 GMT
Austria

Paul - Rawbin asked how he can get a license to use a song. I am pretty sure he knows - like me - that you can do everything you want with a little risk and maybe nothing will happen. But he wants to do it the legal way, maybe because he does not want his clip to be deleted every 2 weeks? Or maybe the small 0,001 percent risk of getting sued is too much for him. And so I would not give him the information that he should do illegal things, when he wants to do it the legal way.


The truth is that the music industry is having a hard fight against single persons.
If you have bootlegs, fine. I do not have. You understand what I say? Hey, I was contacted by US lawyers because I have a list of bootlegs on this site listed, so don´t tell me everything is fine and nothing will ever happen. Listening and loving music, nice people which write songs like Paul -- this all has nothing to do with the music industry. I know you are living in Russia, and hey: if I search for a server to share some illegal things we both know where I could do that with no problems. Not a good idea is to do that in Austria for example.

Rawbin is living in the USA, so his risk is a little bit higher.

And with no doubt: If Paul Simon or his brother someday feels that this site is not good for their image or their stomach, they could close it in a few hours.

What I want to say too: Running a website is also a risk - you learn that during years.


And how can you control how popular a video on youtube will become? Don´t you think that the father filming his baby also only thought: Hey, thats funny..and only a few hundred people will watch it, so no risk. But millions watched it then.

Bodo
Mar-17-2009, 20:05 GMT
Austria

Rawbin - this is from wmg.com
(I searched for this now because I also got asked by some companies a few times where they can ask for a ´legal´ permission. Don´t ask me why they search on a Paul Simon fanpage for that info...)


If you are interested in using the actual sound recording by an artist on a WMG record label, a good place to start is by calling our licensing company Warner Special Products at (818) 953-7900. If you are interested in using a musical composition that is published or administered by our music publishing company, Warner/Chappell Music, Inc., you should visit the Warner/Chappell web site at http://www.warnerchappell.com [ http://www.warnerchappell.com/ ] where you will find a useful song search tool. In addition, by going to http://www.onestoptrax.com [ http://www.onestoptrax.com/ ], users can access pre-cleared music from a wide variety of artists.

Paul
Mar-17-2009, 20:27 GMT
Unknown

Sorry, Bodo if i let you down.
It´s not a secret anymore so i also don´t have those *
:)
But wait - we have been talking about so many concerts and dime and torrents and so on and OTP movie. And they just read it.. You must be in prison now at least, cause you run this site and is responsible for everything that happens?

Russia is a hiding place where no one ever goes!!!
:)))))))))))))
We have got a law or smth the other day about the rights on the internet, so don´t think that we have just an empty field, snow, prisons etc

Bodo
Mar-17-2009, 20:44 GMT
Austria

I don´t think that Maslick.

But I see that we have a different few on those things, you are younger, have another background, and you feel nothing ever can happen. I don´t want to scare you, but that is not true IMO.

So I also think talking loud out and writting down everywhere what you have done illegal, is not the best way. If you use the internet since about 10 years or so like me, you realize that also everything you wrote 10 years ago is available to the public - and it sounds like as if you´ve said it just a minute ago.

Maybe not a really good example: But just think that you have been living in the year 1909, you already have the internet, and you write in many forums that Stalin is a bad and evil guy and should be killed, and that you have done many illegal things and so on. Would you feel comfortable in the year 1939 then? Me not. Are you feeling comfortable with your actual "president"? Me not. I was a chees player when I was young, and so I on the former world champions site. Although I gave up the game.


(and it is good to know I can delete here everything)

Bodo
Mar-17-2009, 20:57 GMT
Austria

BTW: A example of ´copyright behind the scenes´ I never told you all before. Ok, I just realized it last summer.

Copyright holders of articles(news) can ask google to block a search result, if it includes parts of their own article. It happened to this site only 3 times so far. They do not contact you or say anything, they just block this special page from their index. You never realize it. I later deleted these entries when I began using Google Webmaster Tools (there you get a warning message)

It is nothing to be afraid of I think.

But what does it mean? Well, it means that there are many people outside, searching trough the web to see if any copyrighted material has been missused. (Well first a automatic algorythm searches, and then a real person has to verify the result I guess).

So, what is copyrighted?
* all pictures
* all articles
* all news
* all lyrics
* all songtabs

Not much left over for this site eh? They even blocked forum entries (when part of it included a article)

But you see - they can know everything. And when they start sueing one person, I shut down this site in the first minute, believe me.

fubel
Mar-18-2009, 15:08 GMT
Germany

Paul Simon is one of the very few musicians who has the (C) and (P) rights for all of his songs and(!) records. Simon & Garfunkel were recorded by Columbia.

So I wouldn´t contact Warner first. I would contact Pauls office and wait for their answer.

Bodo
Mar-18-2009, 16:43 GMT
Austria

Ok, I have searched trough the Old news now.

http://www.paul-simon.info/PHP/shownews.php?id=93


So you have to contact "Paul Simon music". hehe - If this is Pauls small office in NY, then I am not sure how long you have to wait for an answer. I mean - how many requests do they get daily for publishing songs like Bridge, SOS, Mrs. Robinson...

fubel
Mar-18-2009, 19:48 GMT
Germany

Wouldn´t it be allowed to post a video with Pauls music if you simply pay that´s what in Germany is called GEMA?

Bodo
Mar-20-2009, 11:18 GMT
Austria

Hi

Uh, I do not know that much about it. But my guess is that the GEMA is only for playing a song at a public place/radio? Using a song for your own movie/clip is something different I think.

And you know what - in Austria it is really strange, there you have to pay something like GEMA (Künstlerabgabe) if you buy a blank CD-r. Because you _could_ use it to copy music.

Bodo
Mar-20-2009, 11:22 GMT
Austria

But I think it is really hard to get Pauls authorization to use a song for free for something - because he looks very carefully what his songs are used for. - Just remember "American Tune" which he allowed Obama to use in a really good way. It might be a real honor if he says yes to something like that. (for example I am pretty sure he would not allow the Republicans to use one of his songs, even if his music company would say money doesn´t stink).

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