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| Author | Comment | Raumo
Jan-04-2007, 15:40 GMT
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Israel
 | What does it mean when two chords are written together, seperated by a slanting slash, like this: Ab/Eb ? | | | | claire
Jan-04-2007, 16:03 GMT
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France
 | is it Homeward Bound you´re trying to play? | | | | Thierry
Jan-04-2007, 18:57 GMT
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France
| it means Ab with Eb for bass.
so the notes are Eb-Ab and C
and there are many (fifty ?) ways to do this on a guitar.
the most simple for a guitar is:
do a Ab chord (major chord on 4th fret) without playing the lowest note (Ab). | | | | Raumo
Jan-05-2007, 09:00 GMT
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Israel
| Thank you for replying! no, it wasn´t Homward Bound, though I´d like to try that. I´m on a beginer level and can play most of the simple chords. but I´v seen in many songs the two chords written together and it always scared me away. Now I finaly feel brave enough to try something harder. I used the Ab/Eb as an example, (I think I was looking at Train In The Distance, which is probably much to complicated for me to try:) )
I´v never heard of a chord with a diferent bass. I´m not sure I understand. In the Ab example: I play Ab on four strings(Ab C Eb Ab), so when you say not to play the lowest note do you mean to strum only the highest three srtings? that would give me C Eb Ab, right? so how does that give me Eb for the bass? Sorry for being so dumb but I don´t know where else to get help with this. I´d really like to be able to understand the rule so I can figure out the other chords. for example Father and Daughter has C/E, C/B, and C/D. Would C/E mean that I play a C chord and add the low E string (open)?
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer! | | | | ivalo
Jan-05-2007, 11:59 GMT
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Finland
 | The Ab/Eb chord could be played like this: XX6544. (Which means that you play a normal Ab chord (X66544) but don´t play the 2nd lowest (A) string because you want an E flat to be the bass note. (Which is the G string played on the 6th fret). But you´ll have to know how to do a barre chord which is the biggest problem for a beginner.
Train In The Distance is not a beginner´s song. The easiest thing would be to play the song in a different key or play it with capo (if you don´t have one, buy) on the 1st fret with easier chords (D, A9/c#, Am9/c, B7, Em7, A9, D, A9/c#, Am9/c, B, Em7, G/d, D, etc.).
C/E (or C/e) is just like you said: you play a normal C major chord and add the low E string (open).
A very common (and easy) chord progression that uses a chord with an alternative bass note is for example C, C/b, Am. The C/b is like a C major chord, but the lowest note of the chord this time is not C but B - the note that you hear when you hit the 2nd fret of the second lowest (A) string. So you play C/b like this: X22010. (In comparison to C which you play like this: X32010.)
Learning this will be very useful.
I just think I wrote too much and there may be some mistakes, after all, I´m not far from beginner myself and know little musical theory. | | | | Thierry
Jan-05-2007, 19:07 GMT
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France
| Hi,Raumo !
When you see a chord with a different bass, the lowest note must be the note written :when I say you don´t play lowest note means for a Ab barre chord(Ab) : Eb-Ab-C-Eb-Ab = x66544.(what Ivalo said about that is not dead right= complete Ab barre chord on 4th fret is 466544, notes are Ab-Eb-Ab-C-Eb-Ab, so if you want a Ab/eb chord, as i already explain, just don´t play lowest note (Ab) X66544 =Eb-Ab-C-Eb-Ab.
i also said that there´re many ways to make a chord ring.
so for Ab/Eb, the most simple way is it´s Eb-Ab-C.....
for C/B, in Father and D , notice that the bass make a melodic line going from F to Dm (line is f e d instead of a classical harmonic bass line where bass play only roots: f c d).
jazz bass players always do that,go to the next chord taking the shortest way. (but it´s another story)
you ask "Would C/E mean that I play a C chord and add the low E string (open)?"
yes anyway, the lowest note must be E.
am I clear ?
enjoy, | | | | Raumo
Jan-08-2007, 11:39 GMT
IP:
Israel
| Thank you Ivalo and Thierry! I think I understand now.
My problem with the Ab/ Eb example was that I play an Ab chord:xx6544 since as Ivalo said a bar chord is still a problem.
(I can finaly make a bar but not add more fingers, need more practice, practice, practice). So inorder to make it Ab/Eb I would actually have to *add* a string.
I have to agree that Train In The Distance is not a beginers song. Thank you for posting the easier chords Ivalo, but even they are a little hard at the moment.
(A9? like:X02423 partial bar on 2nd fret? ouch! A9/c#? let´s see,that would mean adding a c# which would make it: X42423 ?!? I don´t think I have enough fingers! )
Thierry, you have given me quite a lesson to study :)I will have to dust off my limited music knowleg from the piano lessons of my youth. Melodic line/harmonic line? is that like the melodic minor scale/harmonic minor scale?
Thank you so much for your answers, they have opend a whole new door for me. | | | | Thierry
Jan-11-2007, 08:25 GMT
IP:
France
| "Melodic line/harmonic line? is that like the melodic minor scale/harmonic minor scale? "
One day i´ll take time to try to explain if you really want.bass lines and scales are brothers, in the same way, melodies, chords and scales are brothers since each note is a part of a scale.
more conplicated, Simon´s songs are often written with differents scales. that´s one of the reasons they are so beautiful : change a scale is like go to another country (in music, it means another spiritual country !)
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