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Beth
Jul-20-2006, 03:05 GMT
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Snowy...It´s deeper than that...the line reads, "And all the Old hymns and family names came fluttering down as leaves of emotion." PS is 64...this whole album has so many references to the span and scope of his lifetime...like the line that he is wearing his father´s old coat...the past is becoming the present for him...the generations before him are catching him....who is he..."three generations off the boat"..."I have harvested and I have planted"....This album is about a man who has lived a satisfying life...is moving toward the end of his life....He said in one of the interviews that his mother is 96...his youngest child is 8...and just the span is baffling.....So when you read the lines to the songs of "Surprise"...read them as if you are 64 years old....

nancy
Jul-20-2006, 05:57 GMT
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Not hard for some of us who are that age.....

Micky
Jul-20-2006, 09:49 GMT
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But then again, maybe it shouldn´t be so hard for any of us to understand. Remember Paul wrote Old Friends when he was only 25. I think it all depends on your perspective on age.

Some kids think that at 30 your Old. When I was a kid I never thought like that. And I still don´t. I don´t see Paul as a man who is of pensionable age at all. I see my nan as older, but she´s 87 this year.

I can understand the music of this album, and YTO was the same. It makes sense. But I also see that he´s a man who hasn´t given up because he is of a certain age. I´m mean their a people out their that think once you get to 40 that´s it...I heard someone say they were too old for kids parties and they were just forty. God help me when I reach it, I work with kids...lol

I´m *coughs* of a certain age...lol and I still run around and be silly. I play footy with them, finger painting. I do silly things, jump around in the soft corner and get sqaushed...To name but a few things. It has to be said, I am one of the few playleaders who´s like that. And out of my staff, I´m the only one who´ll play footy with the kids and I´m almost twice their age...go figure...

Keep it up Paul!

I think I digressed a little there :-D

Beth
Jul-20-2006, 12:18 GMT
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I didn´t mean to sound like PS has given up...Far from it...but he does have a perspective on life...in YTO and Surprise... that he didn´t have in his previous albums....They seem even more autobiographical to me.....

Micky
Jul-20-2006, 12:54 GMT
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Oooh sorry Beth, I never meant that´s what you said...It´s just that...how can I put it...That by the way he lives his life and so forth he shows he hasn´t done what maybe expected of him such as retirement etc...and just gone down the road of winding down...lol

Snowy
Jul-20-2006, 17:34 GMT
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Beth,
All that is well and good, but I´d still like to know if there is actually a song of the same title, as is implied in the song. If there isn´t, I think it weakens the lyric, as it would, in effect, be running-theme-driven. If there is such a song, I´d like to look it up.

Beth
Jul-20-2006, 19:35 GMT
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Snowy...
I am not understanding what you are saying...
PS is way too original to repeat the same song title...that someone already used.....

Micky
Jul-20-2006, 21:20 GMT
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Maybe it´s a poem...remeber April Come She Will?

suzi
Jul-21-2006, 04:06 GMT
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I agree with Beth. If you take it apart it is --all the Old hymns came fluttering down as leaves of emotion and all the old family names came fluttering down as leaves of emotion.

Bonnie
Jul-21-2006, 04:14 GMT
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Sounds to be biblical to me, "Once Upon a time..." = "In the beginning..." Starting with the beginning (of life, itself or his life in particular) and ending with the end of life. "All the Old hymns ... the family names" that are recited with the passing of someone. "Daughter of ----, son of ----." Fits in with the cobolt stain-glassed windows of a place of worship.

Micky
Jul-21-2006, 06:50 GMT
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I do still think, and I think someone else said this in one thread, that this last section of the song refers to the losss of his dad, in a kind of side ways way. Not in your face, but there.

Sorry it´s early and I can´t think of a better way of explaining it.

Now I´m off to work...6:50am!

Simon Dooker
Jul-21-2006, 10:39 GMT
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The lines "and all the Old hymns and family names came fluttering down as leaves of emotion",recalls to my mind what takes place at the end of the Rememberance Day Service at the Royal Albert Hall,a venue Paul knows well. When thousands of poppies flutter down from the roof ceiling. I know its Veterans Day in the US,but with Pauls strong London connections I am sure he was aware of the image, and maybe influenced the lyric.

Micky
Jul-21-2006, 12:19 GMT
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Yeh...I´ve seen that Simon, on TV, very emotional moment I feel.

suzi
Jul-21-2006, 16:40 GMT
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Bonnie, Simon, Mikey---Those all sound like good ideas. I know its very spiritual to me. Just not the name of another song. This whole album is just so moving for me.

Matthew
Jul-21-2006, 17:25 GMT
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I remember when my Grandad died. My family only visited him on rare occassions as we were always busy with the lives of three schoolchildren with different activities on every day of the week etc.

When he died we still didn´t see him (so nothing was different) but now we *couldn´t* see him (everything´s changed)

When your father dies I guess it´s symbolic that you take his place.

When you are young you are an Ocean, full of mystery not sure where you are going to go and your father is like a mountain range, fully formed, tall and there to see.

I guess when your father dies you make the transition from Ocean to Mountain Range.

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