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Bodo
Feb-18-2005, 13:47 GMT
IP:
Austria

Thats right Matthew.

I also see that they offer paper targets. I think in the beginning only this option was available, and since a few weeks(?) they also shoot at animals. On the TV report they didn´t talk about the paper target... well it seems senseless to do that too, but it is ok for me.

They seem to make their webpage more harmless then they are IMO.

tnthub
Feb-19-2005, 15:51 GMT
IP:
USA - United Staates America

They have paper targets. They also offer hunting services, with guides, in a controlled setting. The animals are not tied up, they are loose. The fees are quite high. The guides make certain the animals do not suffer. Donations are made to animal refuge leagues out of the fees. The meat is butchered and shipped for consunmption, trophies are also made. The target audience are handicapped and disabled hunters.

I do not see a problem as long as the animals do not suffer. Wild animals taken quickly and efficiently for food and sport suffer far less than the average animal used for our grocery store hamburgers and fried chicken.

While I understand many people being upset, I grew up in the country and hunting is a way of life for many people in my state. It is natural and normal. If properly managed, this allows a better quality of life for disabled people who can no longer go out and hunt themselves.

Bluesmoke
Feb-19-2005, 22:13 GMT
IP:
Italy

don´t give me the "disabled" card...I read it too but please...
How about land mines? shall we plant those? Think of how many disabled kids can live the thrill of killing their pray! or maybe blind men can randomly throw hand grenades into a forest untill something drops dead.
I think that you also owe your pray your presence, sweat and energy if you want to hunt it. Anything else is not hunting.

jefferson street
Feb-20-2005, 05:41 GMT
IP:
USA - United Staates America

wow, the only american who has written in this form was defending the website. although he made good points, i am going to have to represent the americans who dont like this kind of stuff. i understand what the other american said, but i dont like the idea of killing things just for the fun of it. like bodo said, it seems perverse.

with all that said, please dont write off all americans because of one website. its kind of like writing off the whole internet because of one bad site. the America that i know isnt at all like that.

make it about the site, not america.

Nathgertsch
Feb-20-2005, 09:22 GMT
IP:
France

Wonderful : the animals are not tied up but loose ! And do you think they have just one chance to escape from those killers ?
In some places, hunters are useful to regulate the nature and they don´t always shoot down the animals. There, in that park, they bring supposed wild animals from Africa or Europe (but do you really think they are so wild if they are brought to the States ?)just for the pleasure to shoot them down. About the food, I don´t think animals like Corsican Mouflons are famous for their meat (mainly in our Occitantal countries)so, I don´t believe at all they use it !
It´s just for the pleasure to kill an innocent animal who has nothing to do there and who has no chance at all to win. Totally cruel and unfair...

marmotte
Feb-20-2005, 16:14 GMT
IP:
France

Bodo, I´m sure you will be able to create a site to shoot directly ugly fat hunting wild animals who are sitting in front of their computer, or at least make them run a little bit (it´s good to lose weight !)... why not introducing a real wild animal into their house ? funny game, no ?

Matthew
Feb-20-2005, 16:56 GMT
IP:
United Kingdom

"Bodo, I´m sure you will be able to create a site to shoot directly ugly fat hunting wild animals who are sitting in front of their computer, or at least make them run a little bit (it´s good to lose weight !)... why not introducing a real wild animal into their house ? funny game, no ?"

Fantastic! :D

Nathgertsch
Feb-20-2005, 20:14 GMT
IP:
France

And we would play Pigs Sheeps and Wolves... :-)

Matthew
Feb-21-2005, 09:38 GMT
IP:
United Kingdom

;) sorry Bodo

Bodo
Feb-21-2005, 10:25 GMT
IP:
Austria

I see tnthub, you have seen the documentation on TV I saw eh?

A strange animal it must be which jumps around and doesn´t run away when you shoot at it.

The animals DO suffer, it´s a torture because they can´t hit them over internet

Bodo
Feb-21-2005, 11:26 GMT
IP:
Austria

Hi Jefferson

You are right, the typical American isn´t like that. I was there for 5 weeks in sum and never meet such persons, only nice people.

But I think in the USA they have a big acceptance for people out of the ´norm´.
Thats good in a lot of ways, but also bad on the other side.

I believe such a service (hunting over the internet) would never be allowed in western European countries. You wouldn´t be allowed to start such a business, and all people would be against that. In the USA most people would say :"Everyone is free to do what they want, that is our staate and this is what is written in our constitution. So it´s not my business to be against that"

I don´t know how difficult it is to open your own business in the USA with a new idea. I have heard it is in fact very easy, and it is one of the big advances of the USA. In my country people say that if you have a good new but strange business idea it is the best to go to the USA, because you never have a chance in our country. You wouldn´t have a chance to offer such a service without changes in our law. I think the difference is that here everything is forbidden what doesn´t stand in the business-order, and in the USA everything is forbidden what is written down in such a order. Maybe they will check it in a few years and then forbid this service.
I hope they do so, there is only a small line between killing an animal with your mouse, and killing a terrorist with your mouse.
If they want they can find good arguments for that too. (wounded and handicapped soldiers can still fight on the battlefield...)

tnthub
Feb-23-2005, 23:26 GMT
IP:
USA - United Staates America

I am not saying that I like or approve of the implementation. I am saying that anybody who eats meat needs to be aware of how we treat our food animals before passing judgement.

I have no problem with "real" hunting. I grew up and still live in Maine. Hunting is a way of life for many people. I do not hunt any more but I do enjoy many types of wild game. I also understand how difficult it is for someone who used to be able to do something they Love to give it up. I do not approve of anything that makes animals suffer. I was always the kid trying to save the wild bird that flew into a window and broke its neck...

I also like to eat game birds and there is a significant distinction between shooting wild game and contributing to the unethical treatment many of our chicken farms engage. However I will still eat chicken.

Not trying to be argumentative but I do want to be clear. Somehow many of us seem to think that is is ok for married people to have sex but if we pay a prostitute we have committed a crime. Killing is killing, whether it be on a farm, in the woods, or behind a keyboard.

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