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Lani
Jan-16-2005, 23:53 GMT
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USA - United Staates America
 | Hey I was just wondering if that song was about Carrie Fisher. If you read the lyrics it kinda sounds like it would be her, but not sure. Has Paul ever said anything about that song? |
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Lekornee
Jan-17-2005, 05:40 GMT
IP:
USA - United Staates America
| Except the part where she dies. |
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Beth
Jan-17-2005, 06:37 GMT
IP:
USA - United Staates America
| Paul´s explanation:
?The album began with the song that became "Darling Lorraine." That was the model that I used to look for a band. Darling Lorraine grew out of a guitar riff in a Capeman song.
Well it can really make you cry the first time you hear it, because you´re surprised that the story goes there ó it fooled me. You know, all the songs I wrote on this album came in a day or two days. So they were really surprising. "Darling Lorraine" was very surprising to me.
I was just making it up and making it up . . . didn´t know what was happening, didn´t know until I said "I´m sick to death of you Lorraine." As soon as I said that, you know . . . I knew that was foreshadowing that she would die and that that´s what would happen, so I was really surprised, because I didn´t know what the story was, really.
I never saw them as actually breaking up. I saw them as a couple that, you know, they Love each other and they have fights, and they made up and they weren´t going anywhere. Until she died. And then you realize the degree to which you´re dependent and that the relationship is beyond being in love ó it´s beyond that. You´ve traded essences and you´re each other and now you don´t know how to be a complete person . . .?
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Nathgertsch
Jan-17-2005, 10:47 GMT
IP:
France
 | Very moving explanation. |
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John Whapshott
Jan-17-2005, 13:02 GMT
IP:
Sweden
 | This song contains 4 of the best lines Paul has ever written, imho. Seriously, can you name any other writer, living or dead, who has summarised the hell of an unhapy marriage better than ´On Christmas morning Frank awakes/To find Lorraine has made a stack of pancakes/They watch the television, husband and wife/All afternoon, "It´s A Wonderful Life"´. |
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Nathgertsch
Jan-17-2005, 13:17 GMT
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France
| But maybe Paul didn´t mean at all it´s a hell of an unhappy marriage to watch "it´s a Wonderful Life" on a Christmas day :-) |
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John Whapshott
Jan-17-2005, 17:17 GMT
IP:
Sweden
| No, this is an example of Paul´s biting sarcasm, like ´This is the age of miracles and wonders´ coming after a description of a bomb in a baby-carriage, or the last verse of ´Have A Good Time´. Examine these lines. It´s Christmas Day. What does Lorraine serve Frank? A stack of pancakes! In fact, Lorraine is already out of bed when Frank awakes - she hasn´t wished him Happy Christmas or anything, and there´s no mention of presents, or family. (If you think I´m stretching this, remember Paul doesn´t just throw lines together - his words have meaning!). So how do they celebrate Christmas? Watching TV, which requires no interaction, no commuication between those watching. There isn´t a hint of joy or happiness in these lines. And Paul uses It´s A Wonderful Life to mean that it´s the complete opposite for that for Frank and Lorraine. I can dissect the song further, but I think you get the idea... |
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Nathgertsch
Jan-17-2005, 17:57 GMT
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France
| Yes, I know how Paul loves to be sarcastic and I like that :-) and for sure, I would hate too having with the person I am living with the kind of Christmas Lorraine and Frank have but I am not so sure Paul wanted to go that far (and he has already said, many times, that he could not even explain his own songs because they had finally much less meaning then we could have imagined and he was just liking the images or the sound of the words together so, maybe for him "a slack of pancakes" was just sounding good -and it does :-) and he loved the image of the husband and the wife sitted together on the sofa on a Christmas day to watch "it´s a wonderful life").
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Bodo
Jan-17-2005, 18:04 GMT
IP:
Austria
 | I can understand what you mean John, and I have the same feeling - when Paul sings the line "What a wonderful life" he sounds very sarcastic.
But I don´t think the whole song is about an unhappy marriage, it´s more about the up and downs Frank and Lorraine have during their relationship.. and they stay together until the end.
I think he sings this part in this sarcasm way because it is so less what makes them happy, they don´t seem to have children, they only thing they are doing on christmas is watching TV - but they seem to be happy?? eh <sarcasm> "What a wonderful life" |
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Nathgertsch
Jan-17-2005, 18:24 GMT
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France
| This song is finally a perfect summary of what unfortunately very often becomes a couple life ruled by the habbits ! :-) |
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John Whapshott
Jan-18-2005, 12:52 GMT
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Sweden
| I think there´s also a self-deprecating reference to ´Slip Sliding Away´ in the lines ´You say you´re depressed but you´re not/You just like to stay in bed´. In SSA the woman says ´A bad day is when I lie in bed/And I think of things that might have been.´ Frank is saying ´You´re not depressed just lazy!´ And maybe Paul is saying saomething to the effect of ´OK folks, I´ve lightened up here!´ which is the feel of the whole YTO album |
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Brandy
Jan-18-2005, 22:06 GMT
IP:
Canada
 | I thought the song was very touching, and I´m loving the interpetations people are writing here. I don´t have much of my own to add . . . all I know is it´s a very honest-sounding, if not slightly cynical, song.
The relationship doesn´t seem all that bad, when you consider the affection Frank has for Lorraine at the end . . . when she´s dying . . . and I think that´s the best part because it´s when it´s pretty clear that they´ve both been selfish and insensitive to each other, but it´s obvious they really Love each other and need each other after all. "You´re The One" has the same kind of message, told more simply . . . "and I´m the one, I broke your heart, I made you cry . . ." it´s a coming to terms with the fact that Paul --or Frank with Lorraine-- knows that he can be just as unloving to her as she is to him, that they´re both to blame.
And then, just as Frank realizes that, Lorraine dies. That´s some tough irony.
Ahttp://www . . . "don´t it always seem to go, that you don´t know what you´ve got ´til it´s gone . . ."? |
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Lani
Jan-18-2005, 23:01 GMT
IP:
USA - United Staates America
| Thanks for all the interpretations everyone. |
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Scaaty
Jan-18-2005, 23:35 GMT
IP:
Ireland
 | I think this song shows a very honest view of what long term relationships are about. If hollywood showed the same maybe people would not have such expections and then become dissillusioned. After all there is no such thing as Mr/Ms Right just Not So Wrong. |
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John Whapshott
Jan-19-2005, 13:10 GMT
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Sweden
| Yes, it shows how some of us can take marriage for granted. Frank summarises their entire life together as ´the usual marriage stuff´! And then he´s amazed and angry when Lorraine says she´s had enough! And it deals with all the little niggles in marriage: ´What? You don´t like the way I chew?´ Just like ´I like to sleep with the windon open/But you keep the window closed´, which is metaphorical as well as literal (according to Paul himself!). This song certainly has a lot in it! And to think Paul wrote it in 2 days...!! |
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