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| Author | Comment | Brandy
Aug-18-2004, 16:08 GMT
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Canada
 | I think he was losing his temper and it wasn´t typical, but . . .
Getting mad and being downright abusive towards fans is two different things. Swearing at them was absolutely terrible, especially after all the cash they forked out to see S&G in concert, fans do NOT deserve that. I think what Art did was entirely unappropriate. You can NOT excuse how rude he was, it was wrong on any level, for any person.
And if Paul had done that, I would say the same thing. That is a disgusting way to behave. | | | | Nathgertsch
Aug-18-2004, 17:00 GMT
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France
 | That´s just what I was trying to explain and I thought I was the only one not to excuse this behaviour... :-)We feel so lonely sometimes... :-P | | | | Panda
Aug-18-2004, 18:02 GMT
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USA - United Staates America
 | Oh I think it´s easy to judge.
Who are you to say "he CAN´T insult his fans!!" ?
Oh, I forgot, famous men OWE PEOPLE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE !
I think it doesn´t work like that. When a troup of fans, even if they are filled by Love, come to you to have autographs, it might not be cool...!
I´m sorry, but a singer (for example) doesn´t have to give his LIFE to his fans ! He gives his songs !
You have to see another thing : when a fan comes to have an autographs, he thinks "just one won´t kill him". But when you sign autographs all the day, one more can kill you.
And it´s not said that Garfunkel insult his fans every day. There must have been 10 omplaints I imagine, maybe less...10 complaints in 25-30 years of autographs, it´s not big...
I don´t want to say it´s good. I say it´s bad, it´s not very king (euphémisme) to insult his fans...but I say on th other hand that saying "we can´t forgive" it´s TOO MUCH.
Voilà, en fait, juste pour dire que Garfunkel (en l´occurence) ne doit pas TOUTE SA VIE à ses fans, et que quand une horde de gens s´abbat sur vous pour des autographes, c´est peut-être pas évident.
Maintenant, l´argument "il avait qu´à faire autre chose" ne tient pas : doit-on s´empêcher de chanter des chansons aimées par peur de craquer une ou deux fois en 30 ans de carrière ?
(dsl pour le français, mais je suis pas bilingue...:p) | | | | Micky
Aug-18-2004, 20:13 GMT
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United Kingdom
 | Well, I agree to a point that Artie should think more before he opens his mouth. BUT, he is human, just like all of us in this forum.
It´s not an excuse, but a fact. And people seem to forget this all to often. I would consider myself a calm individual, who is polite, etc. But, like most people, I have a point where I will loose my rag and explode. I´ll grant you the distance between keeping my cool and exploding is vast, but it´s there. I have a point where I´ll say the wrong thing without thinking ahead of myself.
So why should a celebrity be any different? Why should they HAVE to be on their toes 24/7! They are people, who happen to be in a very public job.
The last job I was in involved helping adults back into work and so you had to behave in a particular way. Smart, well mannered, keeping ones cool, etc.
But I can remember at least two occasions at work where the day had been total rubbish and someone pushed the wrong buttons and whammo! They got it full force. THAT was a very rare moment indeed, but it happened. Why? Because I´m human, I have faults, I have limits and I make mistakes.
Artie and any other Celebrity are no different.
Hugs
Me | | | | Marieno
Aug-18-2004, 20:42 GMT
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France
| when an artist or a star is "carrying out his duties" (make a concert, go to a movie premiere), i think that he must be "available" for his fans, talk with them, sign autographes...he is paid for that and after all this is the fans who make him live...on the contrary, when he is "out of duties" (make shopping, go to the restaurant)...i think that everybody must respect his private life... | | | | Brandy
Aug-18-2004, 20:48 GMT
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Canada
| It still wasn´t right. He could´ve just refused, maybe been angry, but using the "fuck" word at his fans was truly uncalled for. How would you feel if your idol treated you like trash?
Those fans weren´t mind readers. They couldn´t tell if he´d had a bad day, or if he was tired, or not. All they did was see someone they admire, respect, and invest money in, and took a polite chance for some attention. He was ON TOUR, let´s remember, and so the fans probably thought it was a good and appropriate time to approach him.
All I´m saying is that he didn´t have to explode to such an extent. It was childish and a bad example for his son. I´m not trying to pick a fight with anyone by saying this, I´m just stating a fact. It was completely wrong. He went too far, and if I had asked ofr his autograph and got that reaction, I would´ve had quite a few "choice words" to say back to him!
No, stars don´t owe us (the fans)their lives. Just their success and vast wealth. So is asking for a bit of time too much? Sure, refuse an to autograph, that´s fine, but treat fans with dignity in the least. | | | | Brandy
Aug-18-2004, 20:58 GMT
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Canada
| Oh, and by the way . . . who am I to say he can´t insult his fans? Well I´m a Nobody, I guess, and maybe since he is an almighty God, and unfortunately, since we are not so wonderful and rich and as amazing as precious, spoiled little Artie Garfunkel, we are but mere unfamous mortals, obviously we are not worthy of being treated with respect. Obviously we should accept abuse being hurled at us and forgive him for it, because gee whiz, we deserve to be pushed away and sworn at, we are no where near as glorious as HE is, so I guess that means we can´t ever disagree with his behaviour, because Lord knows, who are we to judge him?
Well, who is he to judge us? Those fans weren´t plotting to ruin his evening, just patiently waiting for who knows how long for a little attention. But hey, Art is so great, he can do no wrong, and so what if he swears at fans? So what if he´s rude? He´s ART GARFUNKEL, every single fault must be excused!
And Art has lived a private life for many years before this reunion tour. He´s not exactly a solo superstar. Most people couldn´t name a Garfunkel solo hit if their lives depended on it. He isn´t exactly media-hounded. The music industry didn´t care about him at all until S&G hit the road together again.
Boo hoo, poor little Artie! Now that we´ve finally given you some attention again, you wanna act like the big, babyish victim of fame and fortune? Sheesh.
Go for a walk, Artie, and don´t come back until we´ve forgotten about you again.
Okay, I´m done. I feel better now that I´ve gotten all this off my chest. Sprry for the sarcasm, I couldn´t resist. No offence meant to anyone but Art. | | | | marmotte
Aug-18-2004, 21:29 GMT
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France
| The problem for stars is that if they insult one fan, every fan feels attacked. After 35 years of famousness(is that proper english ?) he should know that... but few men or women are perfect !it looks like he is not part of this band | | | | Elin
Aug-18-2004, 21:33 GMT
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Sweden
 | Now, don´t you think that spiteful little rant was quite uncalled for? I certainly did!
´precious, spoiled little Artie Garfunkel´ - honestly, do you have anything in particular against the man just because he isn´t PS, or what´s the matter?
If you´d read some of the comments a little closer, you´d notice not everybody´s trying to excuse him - in fact I do not see a single person doing that. They provide some very reasonable explanations for why he´s behaved like this, but they´re not really making excuses, are they?
And why are you attacking his career? What does that have to do with it?
Perhaps you did not notice, but Art has done RATHER well. Granted, not as well as PS - but PS hasn´t done remarkably well, either. It wasn´t really, if I have understood this correctly, the last few albums or so that he became very famous.
(Art has the solo concert-record, I will add, and the upper hand over PS there.)
Actually, I think you´re wrong all the way through your comment. They have both been solo superstars - and none of them have been more media-hounded than the other.
And, aggravating as the stories above are - Art is known to be kind and gentle to his fans. So, I agree with some previous speakers - EVERYBODY has the right to a bad day. I think both Art and PS have handled fame and celebrity extremely well and are worth two big rounds of applauds.
Sincerely E-like, | | | | Brandy
Aug-18-2004, 23:02 GMT
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Canada
| Alright, alright, I´m in a better mood and so I will clarify myself a little better.
First, an apology for the insults I hurled at Art and any offense his fans (if they are any solo fans here) might have felt. It was childish of me, and I do feel bad, so please forgive me, I did not mean to go so far out of line. Very unlike me usually, so I truly am sorry.
Now, to clarify my comments. Other peole´s "reasonable excuses", yes, but they are only excuses and as far as I´m concerned, no excuse is good enough for behaviour like that. Of course, I can´t excuse my bad behaviour either, so I won´t try to, in order to live by my own rule.
His career? I attacked it because it hasn´t been in the spotlight that often, so I was saying he is not very famous (solo), and so he is not usually hounded by fans and the media, so it´s not like he´s had decades of constant attention, and is now sick of it. That was the point I was making. The wrong way to make the point, I see, but that´s what i was trying to say.
"PS hasn´t done remarkably well either." Er . . . he kind of has, actually. Most recently though, so you have a point. "Graceland" sold 14 million, "Rhythmn Of The Saints" sold about 7 million . . . huge numbers, but like you said, from later in his career. However, his "Paul Simon" and "There Goes Rhymin´ Simon" went platinum and had top 10 hits, and "Stll Crazy . . ." was multi-platinum, I believe, and was a #1 album. "Hearts And Bones" . . . yeah, that was a flop. His acting attempts weren´t successful, that´s for sure. But I do disagree with the "PS not doing remarkably well", because he has. You would have a hard time finding somehow who has been so successful in so mnay different genres of music for so mnay decades, quite consisitently too. May I also point out that he is a world-renowned songwriter, believed by mnay to be one of America´s best, and has been inducted into the Rock N´ Roll Hall Of Fame for his solo career, not just S&G. But yes, only recently did he achieve a lot of fame. You have a point in a way.
"The have both been solo superstars". Not really. I wouldn´t call Paul a "superstar" until the status of his most recent albums you just mentioned. Art certainly means a lot to many people, but in a commercial sense, he hasn´t made too much of a dent, has he? Not that commercial success is everything, because it´s not, and I´m sure he has solo work fit to be very proud of, yet he has not made much of a name for himself as a solo artist in a world-renowned, mainstream sense.
"Art has the solo concert record". What record? Paul attracted 750,000 people to Central Park, and apparently that was a record, although I think James Taylor broke it and attracted over 800,000 . . . I´m afraid I don´t know what record you´re talking abou, then. I am very much into music, and I have heard nothing of Art having any kind of solo record. Could you clarify?
"none of them have been more media-hounded than the other". Actually, Paul DID get a lot of attention because of Carrie Fisher, and the "Graceland" controversy, and "The Capeman" failure. His failures and accomplishments have been much more in the public eye than Art´s.
For the record, as for this "issue" about Art swearing at fans, I´d say that it wasn´t typical of Art either, and I´ve heard of his kindness and Love of people, and have heard a LOT about his positive interaction with audiences at concerts. Very charming man, I´m sure. But I still don´t like his conduct and I think he ought to apologise for it, although I don´t think he really could do so now. It was in terrible taste, and it angered me because it struck me as an ungrateful way to treat fans.
Again, I´m sorry. | | | | Loofah
Aug-18-2004, 23:14 GMT
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USA - United Staates America
| I have to agree with Brandy if these claims are 100% true. There´s a difference between refusing to sign autographs and turning and walking away and ignoring your fans than insulting them to their faces. Marmotte has a good point, too; ALL fans feel insulted when they hear stories like that. Of course I don´t know if his fans were abusing him either or kept following him or hassling him so much either, so I don´t know both sides of the story. Still, he´s a human being but his fans are human beings too. He should treat them like human beings. | | | | Brandy
Aug-18-2004, 23:16 GMT
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Canada
| Oh and I found this . . .
Largest Free Rock Concert Attendance
Rod Stewart´s free concert at Copacabana Beach, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on New Year´s Eve, 1994, reportedly attracted an audience of 3.5 million.
That´s a gigantic audience. Did Art beat this record?
| | | | Loofah
Aug-18-2004, 23:19 GMT
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USA - United Staates America
| Whoa, I can´t even imagine looking into a sea of 3.5 million people... | | | | Panda
Aug-18-2004, 23:20 GMT
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USA - United Staates America
| Abou the issue of the "superstar"...I´d just want to say that Paul Simon is more a superstar than AG...
In fact, I could ask to my friends, to my family, etc I´m sure Nobody would know songs ike Graceland, Still Crazy, or YTO...
However, they do know Mrs Robinson, SoS, BOTW, El Condor Pasa etc
I just want to say that for the most extended public, PS is more famous because of S&G and Mrs Robinson than Graceland.
So, by the way, AG is as famous as him, for the majority people. After, we have to look for a little further to realize PS has a "more beautiful career" than Garfunkel.
And another thing : if a man sees AG in a street, in the middle of the 1980´s, I´m not sure he thinks "no, I won´t go to ask him an autograph, he sang in the 60´s". In my opinion, he will ask. ==> when you become a really superstar as were Simon & Garfunkel, you are forever. | | | | skywriter
Aug-18-2004, 23:26 GMT
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Germany
 | no he didn´t beat that but he has a wide audience, too ... he played in front of 1.4 million people in Sofia | | | | |
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